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A future Council of the Isles ...

Monday, March 17, 2008

Last month I was in Dublin for the British-Irish Council (BIC) - a body that brings together the two sovereign governments, three devolved administrations and three Island territories that form the British Isles.

The Council is an important forum for cross-border partnership and ensures that the nations of these Isles work together closely on a range of issues including drugs, energy transmission and climate change. These are issues where the best solutions require both determined action at a national level and partnership beyond our boundaries. First Minister Alex Salmond

It is through the Council that many of the important social links that exist between the nations of these islands are maintained and indeed strengthened.

There are as many people of Irish descent as Scottish descent living in England, there are equally strong ties of family, economy and history. That is not an argument for Ireland becoming part of the UK once again; it is an argument for the sort of partnership that exists within the British-Irish Council.

I believe that what works today for independent Ireland will also work in the future for independent Scotland. I see a future Council of the Isles that becomes a body where three sovereign governments, two devolved administrations and three island territories work together.

Scotland would have a full and equal voice, we would have an appropriate forum to take forward and strengthen the social links that are so important to all the nations of these isles and we would have the ability to work together when needed and when agreed.

The British-Irish Council of today - and a future Council of the Isles, modelled on the extremely effective partnership of the Nordic Council between the independent nations of Scandinavia - is an example of the sort of modern, 21st century relationship that should exist between Scotland and the rest of the UK.

We will be friends and partners, neighbours who work closely together when we need to, while each having the ability to take forward our own priorities and develop the policies that meet the needs of our citizens and allow us to build our own nation's success.

Through a future Council of the Isles, and indeed through our membership of the EU, I can certainly see co-operation on security and climate change between Scotland, Ireland, England, Wales, Northern Ireland and the wider world. And at the same time Scotland would be free to decide, if we so choose, to create a more competitive taxation environment to stimulate economic growth, to invest our natural resources for the future and to increase the level of pension we pay older Scots.

Instead of these decisions being taken elsewhere as happens today, taking responsibility for these decisions in Scotland would allow us do more and do it better - to fine tune policy for specific Scottish needs.

Independence means co-operation with our nearest neighbours and the ability to take all the decisions needed to build national success - that is the lesson of Ireland. The British-Irish Council is proof that a more appropriate, more modern relationship of equals between the nations of these Islands is possible. Independence and partnership - it's a relationship that works.

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  • 31. Ireland's Example 2 - Fife

    Thursday, May 8, 2008 12:08

    #27 #28 etc.

    The point I was making is that many Scots, Scottish businesses and entrepreneurism have flourished for over 300 years, as part of the UK. Since when did we need to 'free' ourselves from the yoke of oppression? More Scots have been exploited by Scots than any other race. Who cleared the highlands? Why SCOTTISH lairds, bless them all.

    As for battles with the ENGLISH, I thought we stuffed them on the last major battle, and only agreed to form the United Kingdom by OUR king sitting on the throne and ruling England.

    Let us not let the facts get in the way of a good grouse. i.e. more SCOTS fought against BPC than fought with him.

    Name 5 major businesses or developments in the last decade without including at least one Scottish Company.

    Has anyone told the First Minister that a SCOTTISH company is selling wave power technology to the Portuguese? Why then is he offering £10 million pounds to anyone in the world to develop a clean source of power instead of using it to develop our existing expertise?

    Ireland needs sponsorship from the EU, we didn't, and we are and have been able to cast our own shadow without blaming others for our predicament.

  • 32. Thomas Porter - Scotland, Aberdeem

    Saturday, May 10, 2008 09:42

    31. Ireland's Example 2 - Fife

    And what about the Industries that did not survive in the United Kingdom?

    Shipbuilding and Fishing are several.

    Vital to Scotlands economy but now the Industry is either gone or declining.

    We need people who can argue for Scotland and a country that is flexible to help our Industry.

    Not a country that will open a cheque book and ask them how much for them to close down...

    Actually you are wrong about BPC.

    The Scots were more then happy to fight against England in Scotland. But invading England is something that they did not agree with and thats where the cracks started.

    But you also did not mention the support BPC got in England.

    And the BPC era was really a Religous war and never about Scots vs English anyway.

    And your information again is wrong. The £10 million was offered for someone to develop newer Technology and test it out in Scotland.

    But I know that 7 proposals for Green Energy to be built in forms of Wind, Wave etc has been accepted by the Scots Government.

    Perhaps that Wave Company has had one of their propsals accepted afterall.


  • 33. Gordon Murray - Livingston

    Saturday, May 10, 2008 23:06

    31. Ireland's Example 2 - Fife
    When did we have to free ourselves?
    Well, since they don't teach it in our schools yet and you ask:
    The period from 1603 to 1707 under the Union of the Crowns was disasterous for Scottish commerce cut off from traditional trading partners in the old Hanseatic trading areas and the Low Countries, enemies of English interests, but without being able to replace these by access to English markets.
    The period following the 1707 Treaty of Union was little better, but at least the efforts of our best brains nurtured by a free universal Scottish education manifested itself in the period of the Scottish Enlightenment, I suggest inspite of the Union with a largely illiterate England rather than because of it.

    The Clearances: you would appear to be unfamiliar with the effects of the Abolition of Heritable Jurisdictions (Scotland) Act 1747.
    All lands of vanquished Jacobite clans were forfiet to the Crown and given to their victorious Hanoverian enemies.
    It is little wonder that the clansfolk living on those lands received little sympathy from their new landlords almost exclusively born, raised, and educated in the English Home Counties but nominally of Scottish stock.

    The last major battle on British(Scottish)soil was 1746 on Culloden Moor near Inverness, which in no way could be described as a stuffing for 'the English'.
    It was in fact a stuffing for the mainly Roman Catholic highlanders, their way of life and culture.
    Before that Oliver Cromwelland his New Model Army caused a fair bit of bother when they ventured north of the border too, but as you say why let facts get in the way of a good grouse?

    I also imagine the First Minister will be only too aware of the Pelamis wave power project in Portugal, it will use the same technology developed in Leith the previous Deputy First Minister anounced last year was to be installed in waters off Orkney.

    However as energy is a matter reserved to Westminster it has been unfortunate that the means of delivering the generated electricity to the national grid is considered too far away from London consumers to invest in a sub-sea connector to the UK mainland.
    The Portugese it has to be said are happy to take a loss just to bring on this technology.

    BP wanted to develop hydrogen fueled power station technology at Peterhead but were thwarted by Whitehall red tape.

    The £10m prize is dependent on the new technology being demonstrated in Scotland.

    It has been some time since Ireland needed 'sponsorship from the EU', just as since North Sea oil money started to come ashore the UK Treasury no longer needs to be bailed out by loans from the USA or the International Monetary Fund. Read the McCrone report.

  • 34. 10 Milion Pounds - Peanuts - Fife

    Monday, May 26, 2008 22:06

    #33
    You forgot to mention that more Scots stuffed BPC at Culloden than suported him. The English support was the reverse of the Scottish support i.e. catholics against the monarchy, not a road we would wish to go down, would we?

    10 million pounds would not even provide 6 months development of a new carbon free power source never mind se it through to completion. Not worth the effort just another gimmick. What about the acepted sources of clean energy started in Scotland, that have either gone to the wall or are battling to stay solvent in the curent climate?

    If carbon capture is such a world beating proposal why is the First Minister not suporting it?

    The list goes on.

  • 35. Gordon Murray - Livingston

    Tuesday, May 27, 2008 11:27

    34. 10 Milion Pounds - Peanuts - Fife

    Try reading #33 again, a bit more closely this time.

    Btw the statute barring catholics from high office is still on the books because SNP initiatives at Westminster to remove institutional sectarianism in the UK were defeated by the Unionist parties for reasons best known to themselves.

    Sir Richard Branson has created a new company, Virgin Galactic, and is investing £55m into Virgin Galactic's VSS Enterprise based on the $10m X-Prize winner SpaceShipOne, created by Burt Rutan.

    No-one is pretending that the X-Prize is financing the development of civilian space travel but it provided the impetus to get the whole industry rolling. Get the idea now?

    There are similar prizes now on offer in the fields of combating climate change, civilian lunar exploration, DNA genomics research and clean energy vehicles.
    Evidently their sponsors do not regard these as gimmicky or not worth the effort.

    As for carbon capture I'm surprised as a Fifer you missed the First Minister's initiatives at the two coal fired power stations on the Forth. It was widely reported on tv press and radio at the time. Almost immeditely on taking office last May Alex Salmond went to Kincardine to discuss with power station operators how to set up clean coal, carbon capture technology on the Forth.

    Remember also the huge row the new First Minister had with Whitehall over its scuppering of the planned Hydrogen fueled carbon capture power station at Peterhead being proposed by BP utilising the Miller oil field?

    Peterhead would have powered two cities the size of Glasgow and at the same time captured the CO2 normally produced by 400,000 cars.
    USA, Australia and the Arab oil states are now building this technology into their latest power stations, rejected by HM govt as unproven and untested.

    You will also no doubt remember that energy is one other key area of national life reserved to the UK government, who are interested in low carbon energy production technology only if it can produce material for nuclear WMDs.

  • 36. Thomas Porter - Scotland, Aberdeen

    Tuesday, May 27, 2008 15:51

    34. 10 Milion Pounds - Peanuts - Fife

    10 million pounds would not even provide 6 months development of a new carbon free power source never mind se it through to completion.

    The money is actually for the person/persons to come to Scotland to test their re-newable technology.

    And since it is the biggest offer of cash you can not call it a gimmick.

    And the FM and SNP have already accepted 7 proposals that will ensure 50% of electricty that Scotland needs is to collected through re-newables by 2020.

    UK overall is not even collecting 2% of her electricity through re-newables.

  • 37. Peanuts 2 - Madeira

    Thursday, May 29, 2008 15:19

    #36

    Gimmick I said and a gimmick it is. People who are actually selling wave power technology round the world are saying that it is a drop in the ocean compared to the actual spend you will need to develop a new clean power source.

    Since the recipient will need to spend the money in Scotland, and be left with zero in their hip pocket, with little to show commercially it can only be a gimmick along the lines of max class sizes of 18 for P1, 2 and 3`s. free prescriptions NEXT parliament ...... What happened to the nuclear option? Aren`t we responsible for electricity generation above 250 Gw?

    How`s about doing something beneficial instead of broadcasting the FM`s latest pipe dream?

  • 38. sid burnett - aberdeenshire

    Friday, May 30, 2008 18:55

    i googled fuel prices world wide after gordon brown and alister darlings window dressing visit to the north of scotland and the oil companies.dubai is an oil producing country and petrol is 20p a litre.scotland is an oil producing country and we pay 147pa litre at the moment.surpise surprise gordon brown the prime minister and alister darling take 72p in tax out of every £1 the motorist spends.and its no surprise that the folks that get hit the hardest are the isles and the north of scotland.the conservatives and liberal democrats are all happy to see the status quo remain as to told to by thier bosses in england

  • 39. Thomas Porter - Scotland, Aberdeen

    Monday, June 2, 2008 16:31

    37. Peanuts 2 - Madeira

    I will again state that since this 10 million pounds being offered is the largest sum of money being offered in the world for this type of project is not a gimmick but a show of commitment.

    I also state that the SNP have accepted proposals that ensures Scotland is generating 50% of electricity by 2020.

    Far better then Britain as a whole. Britain is spending under 100 billion clearing up nuclear plants.

    Is this worth it?

    Britain is already in debt and we are paying billions more to clear up the nuclear plants.

  • 40. Carbon Capture fuded by whom? - Fife

    Tuesday, June 3, 2008 00:25

    #35 #36

    I remember the First Minister's attempt to blame Whitehall for not funding the carbon capture project that, quote 'would have made Scotland a world leader' unquote, in the technology. So why not fund the project ourselves? Why can't he put his money where his mouth is?

    So we are going to achieve a 50% reduction in carbon and other electrical delivery systems by 2020, by using 7 renewable technologies? What are they and how much will each contribute by which date? Or will they suddenly be switched on in 2020? What happened to the 80% reduction in carbon based fuels by 2050?

    Perhaps like the carbon capture and this forum we can have a conversation about it.

    If we are really serious about developing new technologies we should be investing in them ourselves not offering a prize, (gimmick) that will never be picked up because the money will all have to be spent developing the product. Richard Branson has the right idea spending the money in development, to give impetus to his project not grand standing and posturing, like your beloved leadrer.

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