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National Conversation with Scotland's Institutions

Wednesday, March 26, 2008

First Minister Alex Salmond

As First Minister of Scotland, it is my responsibility to lead discussion and debate on how we can build a more successful Scotland.

This Government believes that independence for Scotland - where we are equal partners with the other nations of these islands - offers the best prospects for growing prosperity in our nation.

I have already said as First Minister that I am happy to test support for enhanced devolution in a referendum, along with Independence.

And I say to those who oppose the restoration of Scottish independence that just as I respect absolutely their right to hold that view, so in return I feel able to require of them a clear alternative which can be put on a ballot paper and held up to public scrutiny.

I say that not as a nationalist, but as a democrat.

The people are sovereign. The Scottish Parliament is their Parliament. The right to choose the future for this country, is their right.

This second phase of the National Conversation is focused on extensive engagement with Scotland's civic institutions who have developed and preserved our society for over 300 years. We have the chance to shape the future of the nation - and it is important that civic Scotland plays a central role.

On a simple level, the institutions - charities, churches, universities, business and the unions - are the main voice of Scottish society. Their members help to shape the opinions that impact across the wider public.

Institutions act as an important interlocutor between the government and the citizen. In a fundamental sense they are Scottish society - and have been so for many centuries.

This is a debate where Scotland's civic institutions can and must play a vital role - in defining the choices and the challenge that we face as a society.

We must take full responsibility for shaping our own future - the future of Scotland. So consider the aspects of Scottish life which could be made better. Be confident in asserting your vision.

To our churches and our faith groups I say, if you care passionately about a humanitarian global role for Scotland, if you care strongly about increasing foreign aid, if you object deeply to the presence of nuclear weapons - then tell us, and tell the people of Scotland.

To our voluntary organisations I say, if you are paying the cost of lottery funding being diverted to London - then speak out. Tell us the progress you wish to see.

And our universities and colleges, seeking more funding but constrained by Scotland's funding structure. The same fiscal straitjacket which constrains Scotland's government - and which constrains our choices as a society.

And our business organisations who want to enhance the competitive advantage of the Scottish economy and recognise that is the root to prosperity, then we should consider the new wealth - the new resources - that Scotland could generate with greater control of our own economy.

To our trade unions, we have to consider what social partnerships are required to create not just a rich country but a rich society.

As we have seen throughout our history, often the biggest steps forward, the most significant progress requires the greatest courage and indeed, often, some plain speaking.

The Scottish Government wants to hear from you about your priorities and ambitions.

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  • 141. Thomas Porter - Scotland, Aberdeen

    Thursday, May 1, 2008 16:24

    138. David - Edinburgh

    I respect that you have taken a mature step on the idea of Independance.

    However, your ideas are only what IF and COULD happen if an Independant Scotland was to happen.

    Would the S.N.P. really risk loosing business in Edinburgh? Especailly since it is VERY important that Edinburhg remians one of the main financial areas.

    Can you give evidence to back your claim up? As far as I care you are using the same stories that the Labour and Tories have been using for years.

    Now Scotland does happen to be a Labour stronghold. Do you not think that would have something to do with this whole process? Suddenly Scotland could claim Independance and Labour would suddenly loose their majority at West Minister.

    Now you may see why Labour wants Scotland in the UK, to stay in power themselves.

    Scotland has also benifited alot under Labour by receiving tax benifits etc

    Glasgow especailly claims a huge portion of benifits.

    The Union has clearly failed in over 300 years that it has existed to protect Scottish Interests and now we are claiming to much benifits.

    Can we not do better? Are Scots really that type of person? Where are the opportunites that the Union has for us?

    Wether you are a supporter or not you have to admitt that the S.N.P. has brought new life to Scotland.

    Now you are talking about immigration? An Independant Scotland not allowed to have immigrants in the country now?

    Do you really think that to be a Scot Nationalist you have to be 100% Scottish?

    Course not. A Scottish Nationalist is someone who has lived in Scotland for years and who wants to make it a better place.

    And of course we would be in the EU so being in the Union or not we still have immigrants settling here. If they go back home then that is out of our control. We cannot force them to stay even if it is benifitail for us.

    The S.N.P. want what is best for Scotland? Why would they want to seek to harm Scotland, the countryy they are suppose to love.

    You really are just taking shots at the S.N.P. for being Nationalists now and to start I thought you really were a reasonable person.

    If you really were reasonable person where are the facts that Scotland would benifit Independant?

    Or are you afraid of highlighting those facts?

  • 142. Lorri -

    Thursday, May 1, 2008 17:25

    DESPAIR, HOPELESS, ANGER, EMBARASSMENT, SADNESS.
    Words I have heard used by many people when describing the events that overtook our parliament and beautiful country between 1999 and 2007. Failure after failure to ensure even a slight improvement in our environment, privatisation of schools, huge rises in Council Tax etc etc. Not forgetting the miserable performances of their leading politicians and numerous scandals - SCOTLAND DESERVES MORE!!
    No longer seen as "haggis bashing nutters", the SNP have given new hope and enthusiasm to our citizens. The very fact that the party have depth, character, talent and the will to ensure that a better life for all is achievable, have made them the party of the moment. Tough decisions have to be taken to rectify the wrongs done to Scotland, not just by "Scottish" Labour, but by their so called pals in Westminster.
    I think the Scottish people are smart enough to recognise this, and are brave and patient enough to give the SNP a chance.
    After all, is there any party that could possible perform worse than Labour have over the last few years?
    I, for one, am willing to last the pace and support, without question, a party that is attempting to do its best for my country.
    Best of all, it will NEVER have to bow down to a higher power in England.

  • 143. Ess -

    Saturday, May 3, 2008 15:52

    Who'd have thought this minority, populist Executive would still be having a honeymoon period one year on?

    And when one considers the last You Gov poll that has support for Scotland leaving Great Britain at 19%, all I (as one of the Unionist majority in Scotland) can say is...

    ...keep up the good work, Eck.

  • 144. David - Edinburgh

    Saturday, May 3, 2008 17:30

    141. Thomas Porter - Aberdeen

    The SNP might not want to risk losing business in Scotland, but that is what would happen. The example of Quebec provides plenty of evidence. Before the 1980 referendum for secession from Canada many large businesses moved to other provinces. Sun Life Assurance moved its headquarters to Toronto and many others including the Royal Bank of Canada, Northern Telecom Ltd and the Royal Trust Company moved key departments outside Quebec. Presumably more would have followed has the referendum result been for secession. Both left and right wing parties agree on this because basic economic theory says it would be wise to leave in such an event and so that is what big businesses do.

    You are right, Labour would lose power in Westminster should Scotland become independent, but in either case they will remain powerful in Scotland. I'm sure this is why they are happy to cut Scotland such a good deal, but it is precisely this deal that the SNP is using to look good to the electorate now --- something they cannot do outside the Union. The budget the SNP squeezed through Parliament relied on unspecified efficiency saving and provided no emergency funds should they be required. I can only imagine they would rely on further handouts from Westminster should a natural disaster or the like happen. I agree with you, that's not the kind of Scotland I want to see.

    I certainly cannot see how the Union has 'clearly failed'. The Union makes Britain a world power, and Scotland has a more powerful voice because of it. Whatever you may have thought of the Blair-Bush relationship, should Scotland start punching at a weight closer to it's GDP (somewhere behind Hungary; that's 50th place rather than 6th) you can count on significantly less attention from our pals across the Pond, and equally everyone else.

    I disagree with you on how you describe a nationalist. A nationalist is someone who puts the idea of their nation above all else, often to the detriment of other interests. I believe it is the people of Scotland we should be put first, not a blind notion of nationality. Scottish nationalism seems to feed on putting Scotland down and under-selling it's history, this undefeated country has nothing to be ashamed of. I ask you, why is one union, the European Union, good and another, the United Kingdom, bad? What differentiates these alliances?

    The reason Poles are leaving the Highlands is because their children need extra help with English getting started in school and they are not receiving it. Of course they are free to leave if they wish, but if the SNP only provided for them better, they would stay and Scotland would benefit.

    I have tried hard to find reasons why independence would benefit Scotland, but I cannot find a single one. I would be very happy if someone could provide one, but so far I have only heard blind nationalism. Please provide one if you can!

  • 145. Duncan - Dundee

    Monday, May 5, 2008 10:53

    The pound today is 17% lower against the Euro. And this is the government in whom we put our trust. Scotland needs full fiscal autonomy as soon as possible if we are ever to move forward. Consistently since devolution leading figures in the Business community have criticised the taxes and red tape they face as a result of Labour's policies and lack of fiscal autonomy in Scotland. If Scotland could control its own finances then it would be able to take the necessary action to promote business and the economy. Remember, Sir John Mathewson, formerly the Chair of the RBS, publicly supported the SNP and the view that Scotland can go it alone financially, a man of expertise who's economic credentials were denounced by none other than Tony Blair. Now that the SNP are in power, there is finally someone who fights for what Scotland needs, something that could never happen with Labour running Holyrood and Westminster. It would therefore be a mistake to not support SNP at the next election. It has only been a year, but so far it has become increasingly apparent that Mr Salmond is a man in whom we can place our trust, trust to look after the wellbeing of the Scottish people, and trust to look after the finances of this country, it just seems to me that to do that independence is the way forward. Scotland and England are extremely different countries with different situations, we have a much more dispersed population for one with many living in the highlands and islands, we also have great natural resources for renewable energy etc, putting oil resources aside at this moment, the point i'm trying to make is that because of these different needs we can no longer allow Westminster to make decisions for us. Its time we stepped onto our own two feet. Rather greater fiscal autonomy now, or full independence, thats whats clearly in the best interests of this country.

  • 146. Ross from Ukraine - Ukrainian Village, Chicago, USA

    Monday, May 5, 2008 19:03

    Having lived in Edinburgh for 1.5 years, I fell in love with everything Scottish, as it reminds me of what I admire in Ukrainians - the strong will to full independence, for which millions of people fought for many centuries against Russians and Poles in our case, or English in your situation. We did achieve our independence, and I strongly wish the same to my dear Scotland. Don't get influenced by the mass media, as it's controlled and financed from London and is just one huge propaganda machine, even worse one than the Soviet was. Don't you want to have your own choice in your own future? You will be much better off outside the UK with your own fiscal system, Edinburgh-controlled economy, including oil that was for years sucked in billions of pounds to London. Don't you see that they are just using you as a small brother and will never treat you equal. Just have a look at the world's similar cases: Russia's domination in the former USSR, Serbia's supremacy in ex-Yugoslavia, Czech superiority in relations with the Slovaks. Please, my dear Scots, those who think that you could still live in the union with England, turn around and have a look at your almost two millennium-old proud history. Do you really think that England has ever done sth good for your country? Think of all the terrible things they did to your demographics starting with the disgusting prima nocte law, or to the mentality of the youth who is brainwashed by the media and pop culture, depicting themselves as Britons. Don't get fooled, and try to listen to your hearts! Would they tell you to seek compromises with the centuries-old enemy. It is far more than just economy and everyday wellbeing. It is a huge historic turning point for Your proud Nation. You deserve to restore your INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND. Don't forget that it was Your King James II who got the English throne, and that fact eventually brought two countries together with the elimination of the Scottish Parliament. Did anyone ask for Your opinion back then? Did the Scots choose to live with England? NO, this choice was done for you. So, be sure to have you say today, and don't think of the fact that you've got used to live together, leave it to poets and writers. It is just one big illusion created by the London-based propaganda machine. SCOTLAND DESERVES to be INDEPENDENT with or without EU, with or without NATO, but in your OWN HOMELAND, YOUR OWN STATE. Don't lose your historic chance, as it might be lost forever, as it happened in Cornwall, Northern Ireland (referendum in 1920s). Long live INDEPENDENT SCOTLAND!!!!!

  • 147. alan black - Perthshire

    Tuesday, May 6, 2008 13:38

    It has been a weekend of great sorrow, with the two recent incidents of child deaths and estranged fathers. I cannot imagine the depth of blackness that drives such events to occur. I do see though that these are happenning more frequently and more horrifically. And I ask myself WHY ?
    My observations are that society is falling apart, the 'family' is under severe strain. The expectations of ALL SOCIETY are too much for parents to deliver. The financial side piles ever increasing pressure but emmotionally the pressure is even greater. Add to that beliefs and you have an explosive cocktail. The SELFISH, DESTRUCTIVE behaviour that this manifests is a cancer in our country today. We live in a time when real 'poverty' is rare. What is impoverished is our MORAL FIBRE, our embedded 'right from wrong' compass!
    If our lives were simpler, if time was spent nurturing family bonds instead of building pressure pot households. Then it would be a step in the right direction.
    If we do not get this fundamental right, there will be NO NATION..Independent or otherwise.

  • 148. David - Edinburgh

    Tuesday, May 6, 2008 16:13

    145. Duncan - Dundee

    Your statement that the pound is lower against the euro makes no sense as stated. If you are making a comparison with an earlier time, you have to state that time. The pound hit a low with the euro around mid-April, but if you look at monthly averages, the pound has so far gained strength this month compared to April. Also note, a weak pound is good for exports.

    I would argue that a more diverse country, and equally a more diverse economy, is stronger. Sir George Matthewson (I assume you meant) also said, 'I think the important thing currently, is to get a well managed country and let's see how the future develops'. I at least agree he has his priorities right.

    146. Ross from Ukraine - Chicago, USA

    In contrast to the Ukraine, Scotland has never been under foreign rule. The case of the USSR is not similar to the UK at all. For example, which British PM could you sensibly compare to Stalin? I notice that, despite your countries independence, you have not voted with your feet and remain in the US. Is that because in the eight years following its independence the Ukraine's GDP decreased by 60%?

    I'm not quite sure what propaganda machine you are referring to? If there is any incident you have read, seen or heard in the British media that you wish to complain about you may do so through the Office of Communications --- they are the independent body charged with ensuring fairness in the media. However, you seem to have fallen victim to some Hollywood lies yourself in mentioning jus primae noctis: the film Braveheart is far from historically accurate and there is no evidence such a law was ever exercised anywhere, let alone in Scotland.

    Of course Scotland wants to choose it's own future. It has done and continues to do so through one of the most open democracies in the world. You seem to be using the word London to refer to the Government in Westminster, but, I remind you, this also includes all Scottish MPs (for example, Gordon Brown). The Act of Union of 1707 was negotiated by the Scottish and English Parliaments, so this choice was indeed made by Scots. To throw the economy and wellbeing of the country to the wind so that we might not 'seek compromises with the centuries-old enemy' seems hateful and counter productive.

  • 149. Thomas Porter - Scotland, Aberdeen

    Tuesday, May 6, 2008 16:26

    144. David - Edinburgh

    You do know that the main figures within the SNP happen to have a very long business background?

    With such talent that neither of us could match I will more faith in them then what you claim could happen.

    And what happened when the foot and mouth hit Britain? Did Scotland receive anything from Westminster? No we did not. The SNP gave what they could to provide the farmers with something rather then nothing. This was despite the disease only hitting southern England, it never even got past central England but we were left with nothing and the Treasury somehow paid some money towards the English farmer.

    In otherwords, I would happily rely on the SNP to cover for natural disasters rather then the cheap fat cats down south.

    How can Scotland have a stronger voice in Britain? Britain is made from four seperate countries. How can we have all have the same ideas and passion?

    Britain wants to use cluster bombs.

    Scotland wants to ban them.

    Britain was nuclear.

    Scotland was more on re-newables, nothign with nuclear.

    Britain wants nuclear missles.

    Scotland does not want nuclear missles.

    Shall I go on about our differences?

    The United Kingdom. We are controlled from Westminster and then the European Union.

    Its a waste of resources having a middle man.

    Its also terrible because Britain has not defended Scotlands right to fish in our own waters.

    In an Independant Scotland we shall have greater numbers of respresentation (More then the current 7, 5 of whom are Unionists) who argue for Scotland will get us the best deal for Scotland only.


    Do not dare blame the SNP for the Poles having trouble with English lessons.

    This is happening all over Britain where councils are under funded and can not handle the strain of the amount of immigrants coming into Britain.

    If Britain wants Scotland to do more then we have to receive more to cover these areas. We have no control of our taxes or raise anything of our own. Everything has to come from the Treasury.


    Under an Independant Scotland would have greater respresentation within the EU. Even if you do not like the EU least you can trust the respresentives we have to argue Scotlands case.

    An Independent Scotland will have control of energy resources. We can then create re-newables that will replace oil onces it runs out and create a strong economy. I heard one theory that Scotland has much longer then 30 years worth of oil. This is because oil will become so expensive that people will use it less and the oil would last longer. (Teacher told my Nationalist friends I can not go into detail)

    An Independent Scotland would have full control of our military. We can respresent Scotland around the globe taking part in peace keeping missions set up by NATO or the UN instead of rushing into a illegal war (I support the Iraq war but it was terribly planned and a gamble on the little amount of information we had to work on) that has made us enemies to Arabs and Islamic states (Thats alot of people) and increased terrorism to such a level that we have seen a number of attacks on UK soil in recent years with over 2000 suspected terrorists currently in the UK planning more attacks.

    An Independent Scotland shall control our own taxes. The SNP are willing to cut back on taxes to help you as public. I personally am glad to have poorer services at a time where its a £1.20 per litre for fuel and food prices are pushing us back into poverty.

    But the SNP also wish to create a tax haven type economy for Scotland that will attract major businesses to our cities that could well balance out the tax cuts the SNP can make on the price of fuel and food.

    Maybe even take out VAT all together if we are that lucky.

    Shall I continue?

  • 150. Andrew - Falkirk

    Tuesday, May 6, 2008 17:03

    103. Robert-Edinburgh

    Your right I dont know much about Politics, but as i said Alex Salmond has got me interested. If you ask me thats what the Political scene needs, the younger generation taking note/interest. Would we not have more of a say on issues such as Iraq war, North sea oil, interest rates/tax if we went Independent? Surely at the moment Westminster has more of an influence on such topics than our Scottish Executive / Government?

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