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Bruce Crawford, Minister for Parliamentary Business

Friday, November 30, 2007

The online conversation is undoubtedly off to a flying start.

Bruce Crawford Minister for Parliamentary BusinessThe 1,000th comment in the National Conversation Blog was posted at 7.26am on Saturday morning. And the conversation continues to grow and expand in new places with the First Minister speaking to a packed out audience at Edinburgh's International Book Festival, radio phone ins and newspaper letters pages fill up with the views of the nation.

It seems that articulating debate on our constitutional future is hugely popular with a poll in a Sunday newspaper this weekend showing that 74 per cent of Scots are in favour of a referendum with the majority believing that Scotland becoming Independent in inevitable.

The Scottish Government envisages a national conversation which will consider the entire range of possible improvements to the current constitutional settlement for Scotland. What is clear is that the status quo is no longer an option and the question now is how much more Independence and responsibility the people of Scotland want to help improve and progress our country? For instance, I want Scotland to have the Independence to decide whether the Trident Nuclear Weapons System should continue to be based on the Clyde.

At the election a few months back all the main political parties made proposals concerning the devolution settlement.

In addition to proposing a white paper on independence which we have now published, the Scottish National Party made specific proposals to extend the devolution settlement in areas such as the civil service, broadcasting and for firearms.

The Scottish Liberal Democrats proposed a new constitutional convention to examine the best way to devolve new responsibilities, including taxation, to Holyrood. They also proposed that competence over the electoral system, energy, transport and marine policy should be devolved.

The Scottish Labour party emphasised the continued use of the mechanisms in the Scotland Act to make any necessary changes. The Scottish Conservatives declared themselves open to a debate about the powers of the Scottish Parliament to secure accountability for raising revenues, as well as for spending.

Since we launched the national conversation many politicians have joined the debate, with some rethinking their position and saying they welcome a fresh look at Scotland's partnership with other parts of the UK. Certainly times change and minds change, and what is important is that Scotland's government encourages the debate and enables political parties, groups and individuals who have a view of the future direction our nation to play a full part in the conversation.

At the end of the day whether the people of Scotland choose full self government as the way forward or seek to obtain new devolved powers for the Scottish Parliament no significant change should be allowed to happen without the consent of the people, that is why we so strongly back the idea of a referendum. We trust the people of Scotland to make the right decisions and ask other parties to do the same.

Before the election we said to Scotland that it was now time to move forward. As we approach our first 100 days of an SNP Government we have done just that by getting on with the job of delivering the SNP programme and fulfilling our commitment to ensure that a full and proper debate setting out how we can choose a new and better relationship with the other nations of these islands takes place. I look forward to the conversation flowing!

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Comments

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  • 91. Nick - Aberdeen

    Wednesday, August 29, 2007 20:42

    From now on we have two choices in Scotland. The Scottish National party or the London based British Unionist parties that have now banded together. Never before has the difference been clearer. Nationalist or Unionist - Scottish or British.

  • 92. John - Falkirk

    Wednesday, August 29, 2007 23:06

    The 'Wind of Change' is sweeping across our country.

  • 93. Alasdair Martin - Leadhills

    Thursday, August 30, 2007 13:46

    #88. John - Edinburgh

    There seems to be a suggestion that if Union of Parliaments was torn up and Scotland and England went there seperate ways that England would be able to block any attempt by Scotland to join the EU.

    I'm not sure how this would be the case given that England would also be required to seek to join the EU if they wished to remain a member.

    Why?

    The United Kingdon as a legal and political entity is founded on the Union of Parliaments. If you remove this you have two new legal and political entities, not an old one and a new one. Therefore both parties would need to seek acquiesce to Europe, not just Scotland.

    Personally, I think Scotland should be aiming to be independent outside of Europe anyway

    #89. Andrew - Edinburgh

    The oil runs out when the oil runs out. That's a fact regardless of whether we're in the union or out.

    I imagine that the Scottish economy will be based on what every other free market economy on the face of the planet is based on. Free Market forces. We'll make stuff, we'll sell stuff. It's the way of the world ... if it's not oil it'll be something else, maybe if all the countries industires hadn't been lain waste to by successive Westminster Goverments things would be different, but we'd still be better off independent.

    Regards

    Alasdair Martin

    http://manaboutthehouse.wordpress.com

  • 94. livilion - livingston

    Friday, August 31, 2007 00:35

    #89. Andrew - Edinburgh
    Wednesday, August 29, 2007 19:41

    No oil Andrew?

    Here's what the then boss of BP had to say about the subject last year:

    The Future of the North Sea:
    a Perspective
    Speaker: Lord Browne
    Speech date: 17 January 2006
    Venue: Aberdeen's Exhibition and Conference Centre
    Title: Group Chief Executive

    Quote:
    ""...Energy security is an issue which is receiving a great deal of attention today.

    Some of that attention is based on the mistaken view that oil is running out, or on the fear that countries such as the UK, which are no longer self-sufficient in natural gas, are becoming ever-more vulnerable to shortages and price increases.

    Those fears, I believe, are unjustified...

    ...In total, the industry has invested over £40 billion in capital and operating expense in the UKCS over the last five years.

    BP has invested £5.5 billion over that period, and that investment enabled us to bring on-stream three new fields in 2005 alone - Clair, Farragon and Rhum.

    Now, in response to the increase in world prices, there is the possibility of that investment being sustained and even growing.

    We intend to invest between £1.3 billion and £1.4 billion here in the UK this year, in existing fields as well as in new activities.

    This includes continued development of Clair and Rhum; completion of our Magnus extension project; further development on the ETAP and Foinaven fields; and major new projects at Schiehallion North West and around the Central North Sea Harding field.
    In addition, our major re-development of the Valhall field in Norway will move into the execute phase in 2006. In total, this year we plan to bring 38 new BP-operated wells onto production...

    ...According to the latest DTI and UKOOA data, there are still up to 26 billion barrels of oil-equivalent to be found and developed in the UKCS.

    The life of the North Sea continues to be extended. When I first came to Aberdeen the general expectation was that activity would be over by 1990.
    When I came back in 1990, the general expectation was that the North Sea would have closed down by the year 2000.

    In 2005, UK North Sea hydrocarbon production was around 3.3 million barrels of oil-equivalent per day.

    This year, according to independent estimates, UKCS production will still comfortably exceed 3 million barrels of oil-equivalent per day with total North Sea production (including the Netherlands and Norway) of over 9 million barrels of oil-equivalent per day.

    And the resources are there which could keep production going for many years to come.

    So the end is not nigh...""
    End quote.
    http://www.bp.com/genericarticle.do?categoryId=98&contentId=7013782

    As it is Scotland's economy and population puts it on a par with the middle string nations in Europe, behind the bigger states like Germany, Spain, France, and Italy but up there with the likes of Portugal, Finland, Denmark, Austria, and Greece for example, none of which can boast our natural resources.

    We could be asking ourselves what have we got that they haven’t?

  • 95. livilion - livingston

    Friday, August 31, 2007 01:32

    #89. Andrew - Edinburgh
    Wednesday, August 29, 2007 19:41

    So that's the oil issue, we've only wasted half(£325bn)of what we had in 1974.

    NSO was actually worth considerably more than the £800m (actually~£3,500m!)a year the SNP were roundly ridiculed on tv and in the press for asserting, (we were all told £100m and believed it) and did not run out in 1990 as we and Lord Browne were warned it would.

    Today Gordon Brown no less reckons that NSO will be worth £10-12bn a year to the Exchequer for the foreseeable future.

    Its up to us if we 5million Scots are going to waste that half of this resource still remaining to us to be recovered.

    I appreciate that these days a £100bn is 'only pocket money' in the hurly-burly world of global force projection.

    As Scotland has no territorial ambitions outside of its own borders our fiscal requirements are so much more modest.
    A few hundreds of billions of pounds could lay quite a few tramlines and pay not a few primary school teachers.

    It would probably even stretch to making the Loch Lomondside road to Crianlarich two lanes all the way and get rid of those temporary traffic lights that've been there as long as the oil.

    In 1975 Whitehall was bankrupt and begging for handouts to survive.
    (remember 25% inflation and the IMF?)
    McCrone hinted at military intervention from Westminster if Scotland would've voted then for independence.

    Now if a Union of 50 million souls can generate an economy, from a standing start, worth over £1trillion a year in under 30 years, just imagine what a country with less than a tenth of the overheads could achieve in a similar timeframe?

    The Adam Smith Institute no less, has come out to say that by prudent fiscal an independent policies Scotland could outstrip the UK economy by a large margin within ten years and increase personal prosperity in Scotland by thousands of pounds more than the UK population in general.
    http://www.adamsmith.org/images/uploads/publications/Independent_Scotland_Riches.pdf

    Now for me increased personal wealth is all very welcome, but by no means the main or the sole reason for wanting my country to rejoin the commonwealth of world nations.

    We were there first in Christendom, it would be very satisfying now to be restored to our former national dignity.

  • 96. livilion - livingston

    Friday, August 31, 2007 09:35

    #93. Alasdair Martin - Leadhills
    Thursday, August 30, 2007 13:46

    Scotland and England are already equal members of the EU under the terms of the Treaty of Union 1707.

    Should they decide to end that treaty both nations would have to negotiate to leave the EU, as Greenland did when Denmark joined, if that was the 'settled will' of their peoples.

    I do not believe either nation together or individually has a robust enough economy to survive another Black Wednesday type event without the protection of the EU.

    I also feel that it is our destiny to eventually become fully signed up to the 'Eurozone' as progressively more of our transactions are conducted in euros.

  • 97. livilion - livingston

    Friday, August 31, 2007 09:50

    #88. John - Edinburgh
    Wednesday, August 29, 2007 19:30

    In the 'unlikely event' of independence, Scotland or newly independent England would have some tough bargaining on their hands to be permitted to leave the EU on favourable terms.

    Neither state is a 'region' wishing to join which throws much of your hypothesis out the window.

    As for years of civil war, the whole ethos of the EU was and is to prevent war on the European continent from ever being possible between member states.

    Only the wildest fantasist could envisage any EU member states settling their differences in any other manner than by diplomacy.



  • 98. John Simon - Stirling

    Friday, August 31, 2007 19:55

    I am totally against independence as it is an example of gesture politics in an increasingly interdependent world. Also, I have grave reservations about tax payers money being used so overtly by a political party to try and move public opinion to their way of thinking. Disgraceful. Civil servants should not be used in this way.

  • 99. livilion - livingston

    Saturday, September 1, 2007 02:52

    #98. John Simon - Stirling
    Friday, August 31, 2007 19:55

    I presume in that case you have no reservations with having a European Constitution and will not brook any UK civil servant's time on preparing a referendum on the issue?

    I look forward to your rebuttle and charge you to explain:
    If independence is merely gesture politics, at what point will you exclude Westminster in Europe from your equation?

    Your apparently independent mind I suggest flies in the face of British unionism, which generally regards 'Brussels' as the favoured abode of Bielzebub and all of Lucifer's minions.

    Am I to expect China, Latin America, the Middle East, all of Africa or perhaps the Indian Subcontinent to remove their 'gesture' border controls too, in their increasingly inter-dependent worlds?

  • 100. sid burnett - aberdeenshire

    Tuesday, September 4, 2007 14:53

    im cracking on a bit i never thought i was going to even see the S.N.P. in power.at last we are almost what we were" before an independant nation.i have voted for our heritage a free nation as it was before. since i was 18 and able to vote.since alec and the rest of the s.n.p. got in i have to admit theres a wee spring in my step once more.could i be that lucky to see the day when we may all go out on the streets and cry FREEDOM.O-)))

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